Game Theory: Why You Can't Save Aerith With a Phoenix Down! (Final Fantasy 7)

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One of the most memorable, and heartbreaking, moments of the original Final Fantasy 7 game was the death of Aerith. No matter what you do, how many saves you load, there is no way to save her. Not even the Phoenix Down works! It's always bugged me that this resource made to save people from death, couldn't save this beloved character. Why IS that? Today, it's time to pluck some feathers and see if we can find an answer to this fowl question!
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Kommentarer

Jackson Steen 12 timer siden

I think it’s because the phoenix down is something you find so using it isn’t cannon because it isn’t always given to you

Singing Seal 13 timer siden

now i know im late but i do want ff8 theories its my favourite in the series

Jk Leopoldo 18 timer siden

If the Phoenix is dead, what was the Phoenix that hatched during the fight at Fort Condor? So technically the party can find a high value feather and offer it to that Phoenix that was hatched.

Koriander Yander 19 timer siden

They better make part two before the devs die of corona

charles vincent malinao 20 timer siden

seph is smash

Pumkin Spice 2 dager siden

Hey, check out this random link for all the answers for this video: nopost.info/throw/rp3WnZ-2pWmmd9k/video

Ștefan ionut Staicu 3 dager siden

you guys do realize Aerith can be revived right?

Shadowstriker 3 dager siden

*look nervously at 9 year old FFVII video* I guess if a Phoenix down just wakes you up it’ll be hard to actually *GET* up if your paralyzed...

Drakera 5 dager siden

After FF Remake, it looks like she doesnt HAVE to die :)

Sephiroth 3 dager siden

Who knows really?

Jk47 6 dager siden

What about dmc5 in 2019

Roaring Thunder115 6 dager siden

It’s brink of death, not death. That’s what I believe.

Austin D 6 dager siden

Ff8 theories would be great

Hunter62554 6 dager siden

Well the Phoenix down is used to bring back people that have fallen unconscious, cause I think thats what its called. But that's just what I think.

Bone_knapper 6 dager siden

omg, thats funny, "i remember the ps3 sound" i do too because i played it 2 days ago. thats what happen when your short on cash, you still play ps3 on world at war and modern warfare 3.

UltraEpicLeader100 2.0 8 dager siden

FF7 Remake: With a little Time travel this will be a problem of the past.

DatBoi Reb 9 dager siden

Oddheader brought her back

That one Guy 9 dager siden

IM STILL PLAYING THROUGH THE GAME

SpadeGhostVampire7777 10 dager siden

The White Materia is her soul. Her mother had one too. When she died, all the power of her mothers went to her soul as a failsafe. So what you are actually seeing when the White Materia is jumping down the jumping stones is her soul falling into the water. Nobody can revive her because that would require having Ancients around to preform an magical autopsy where the white materia is re-inserted into her solar plexus, then have 4 other Centra's focus all their lifeforce into healing it and her lifeforce to restore the electrical spark of life back into her while she slips into a coma for a long time as you sit by her bedside hoping she recovers sending your lifeforce into her through your hearts love for her till she awakes up, the whole sleeping beauty, love will save your soul through love soul resonation, true love saves the day to recovery thing. They all instinctively knew once she died, considering there were no Centras around to help her, she was just dead as there was nothing they could do or they would of grabbed the white materia before plunging into the abyss of the water.

Sephiroth 3 dager siden

That's not how the white materia works.

Cheeseburger Pizza 13 dager siden

Even though if she was revived she will still be killed because of sephiroth's Sword

Anthony Baker 15 dager siden

There’s this ee in the game where you can get “ghost” aerith and she’ll join your party.

Eclipse Highroller 16 dager siden

Random fact: Cloud killed Aerith, not Sephiroth. She was still alive after being stabbed as his sword missed any vital organ. But it did clip her spine, making her paralyzed. Meaning she couldn’t move. So when cloud set her in the water, she was still alive, until she sank and drowned. Cloud killed Aerith

Shadowstriker 3 dager siden

Wasn’t that a different game theory episode?

DuckChild Studios 13 dager siden

🤭

Potato Beyblade 20 dager siden

Not even half way done I know why.... BECAUSE ITS SEPHIROTH

NTGAMES23 21 dag siden

“Squeenix”

Micro Waved Rice Cake 23 dager siden

Watching this after happiness and cyanides mini shorts

rize sama 24 dager siden

i loved playing this game very much. 🤯

Matthew Cheung 28 dager siden

Game theory: *Takes 15 minutes to explain* Cyanide and Happiness: Haha funny ded girl

Abudieru Hegemon 29 dager siden

I believe the reason Aerith had to die is because she is the only who became life itself. Aka "The Mother" who takes those who die. I don't understand why Sephiroth killed her because it's been years I haven't played the game but I'm pretty sure if Aerith didn't die, then "The Mother" who heals both the living and the dead wouldn't exist

Justin Jacobsen Måned siden

Well odd header finally discovered the 20-year long rumored erith revival Easter egg so there's no point watching this video p.s game theory sucks lol

Jeremy Hamrick Måned siden

The Phoenix probably just isn’t trying to go against the will of Sephiroth.

Joseph Newsome Måned siden

Ask my this how to bullets not kill them instally

Joseph Newsome Måned siden

They shouldn't of even added in down if they kill off characters

Dragon Lord Måned siden

Wait. You're planning FF8 theories? Dude yes I need that! FF8 is my personal favorite Final Fantasy game I need theories on it now!

Derren E Måned siden

Wasnt there a materia called revive or life? And Life 2?

Isabel Polanco Måned siden

Yess Final Fantasy 8 theory!!

KingYote Gaming Måned siden

Well now Sepiroth is in smash.

Bizare Player Måned siden

I never understood why people are talking about only Phoenix Downs, when there is also Revive materia with Life1 and Life2. Working just like PD but also added effect to heal HP fully if on high enough level. Now it makes more sense if defeat does not equal death but more like a KO.

Chipinator Måned siden

Wasn't there a "Easter egg" that oddheader reviewed, in which Aertith says "silly didn anyone tell you yhis is hades" and joins your party again

Siethys Måned siden

Why does phoenix down kill undead enemies?

E.J. Jones Måned siden

It's a lost cause,if they brought her back to life,sephrioth would just keep rekilling her.🤔

Alex Crazy Måned siden

Me when I hear the PS3 sound what cause I jawed one like literally last year all the time

spectre 1atv Måned siden

Phoenix Downs are used to "Revive" a person from an unconscious state Aerith is dead she was killed she didn't just fall unconscious after being impaled by an approximately 7 foot long blade.

Michael Pettinari Måned siden

Sorry I am late to this party for some reason I missed this episode, and 2 you made a mistake in this Theory Matt, you can actually kill an undead monster with a Phoenix Down, not to mention a boss in FF 8, just by using it it raises them from the dead.

Manuel Nunez Måned siden

GIMMIE TIME COMPRESSION THEORIES!!!...would you kindly :3

BigDaddySama 2 måneder siden

I just finished FF7R and I have a theory regarding this. One of the major themes in FF7R was whether to accept or defy fate. Iirc, that was not really touched on in the original (I may be wrong, it's been a while). I think the major twist at the end of part 2 is Aerith does NOT die at the end. This will somehow set in motion the activation of the Black Materia and part 3 will be about cleaning up that mess (and Aerith most likely dying at the end of part 3)

Shadow Fright 13 2 måneder siden

Ok, I have never played Final Fantasy nor had I heard about it before like 2018. If my brothers didn't play it or know about it it did not exist.

Ibui Shinka 2 måneder siden

MatPat: *Is ready to upload FF8 theories* FNAF 8: "Thanks for another theory MatPat, always a pleasure to do business. Keep up the good work!

THE MEGA KNIGHT 2 måneder siden

You miss the ps3 come to my world and you will see a world full of updates

jasminejo2424 2 måneder siden

nvm saving Aerith i want general Leo back :(

WILLIAM HOLCOMB 2 måneder siden

I have a PS3 ... I enjoy it, but MatPat? I'd be happy to trade it for a 4. (Or 5, if you feel generous)

kyle dubreuil 2 måneder siden

FF8 theory please???????

Hollie Ginoza 2 måneder siden

I'd love some FF8 theories. I think u was the only one in my friend group who really liked the game.

doomoftheend 2 måneder siden

Is it 22 or 23 year old? The debatte.

Shini gami 2 måneder siden

FF8!

Business Clank 2 måneder siden

Is anyone else just binge watching all of mat pats theories

Athlynne 3 måneder siden

...what about Life? Life2?

Tristan Clarke 3 måneder siden

Guys go watch odd headers video about aerith, she can be revived at the church

Tristan Clarke 3 måneder siden

5 months later you can find a video on NOpost that proved that she could be revived

Mobile Gaming World 3 måneder siden

I still use a PS3 I don't have anything else😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Komla Apely 3 måneder siden

As we say in borderlands, "Death isn't permanent unless its in a cutscene."

Ghoul 3 måneder siden

But they can use cure, cura, curaja and curaga after she got impaled. Right?

Connor Greenslade 3 måneder siden

Also minecraft cave update and steve in smash

Fisch Aventine 3 måneder siden

Sorry to burst your bubble....

Makhyusni Makhyusni 3 måneder siden

Play FFV and their a part where Galuf is death where everyone use Curaga, Elixir and of course Raise and Phoenix down but he is dead

Mr Plimbles 3 måneder siden

In FF7 Crisis core, Angeals wing gives Zack Phoenix downs - I theorise that Angeal and his "Copies" are where the Phoenix downs first come from in the FF7 series, and they are mass produced after the fact of this accidental by-product. The tear-jurking end of FF7 Crisis Core shows Zack laying on the floor, defeated and dieing with cloud next to him recorvering from his Mako Poisoning. I theorise that Zack may have burnt through his entire stack of Phoenix downs to get to this point, as he has defeated an entire army of shinra troops, 2nd class soldiers and helecopters, bar 4-5 troops who finally take him down & seen as though Zack and Cloud have been on the run for 2-4 years (depending on which games lore you believe) then they will have burnt through quite a lot of their resources. There is no way for cloud to save Zack because their are no resources left to save zack with, also zack being so close to death and cloud still being so weak means that there was little chance of anything being salvaged of a dead enemy. I'd love to see some crisis core theories in the future!

Chilly_Philly 3 måneder siden

c'mon atleast give me back my materia

CrossBone 3 måneder siden

I'm not crying

WALN Zell 3 måneder siden

If the phoenix is dead then how does it do literally anything? Phoenix downs wouldn't work at all.

WALN Zell 3 måneder siden

6:58 You mean IV, V, and VI?

Bad Lime 3 måneder siden

Yo Aerith can be revived

Jethro Jacinto 3 måneder siden

WHY SHE DED THO?

Nikhil R Byrapuram 3 måneder siden

where is game theroy i,ii,iii,iv,v, and vi?

Michael Montalvo 3 måneder siden

React to oddheaders are it’s revival vid

It's Irvin Time 3 måneder siden

Definitely down for some FF8 theories!

skyactive 3 måneder siden

Phoenix down is for unconsious and only use for battle, not cutscene

Zhello 4 måneder siden

Also you can't save Rachel in Final Fantasy. She does regardless if you do the quest or not. The Treasure Hunter will always feel broken by that.

ryan hoffman 4 måneder siden

Lol sory . I thought it was a 9 foot blade. ? how knows.? 9 feet can't be right.? 6 feet like mat pat sad . Must be right.

Double_O_0wen 4 måneder siden

FFVIII please

Taiylor Wallace 4 måneder siden

Honestly, one of the best theories I've seen in terms of research. Also I love FF anyway.

vogonp 42 4 måneder siden

The interesting thing about the Aerith not being dead theory is that we actually see Cloud survive a similar Sephiroth sword incident.

Michael Ellis 4 måneder siden

0:28 ok I've only played kingdom hearts but from the little I've heard of isn't this like 90% of the plot in final fantasy

turtlerr r 4 måneder siden

me: steve is a girl matpat 23 years later: uhh NO

AsmoJay 4 måneder siden

How long did it take before you realized that the "down" in Phoenix down was referring to down feathers?

Mikael Olsson 4 måneder siden

Life, life2 or full-life?

Munchie Litten 4 måneder siden

Oof he killed her ? !! Wow cloud wth smh

Video game god Video game god 4 måneder siden

3:16:everyones`s favorite flower girl me:I don`t like aries.......[actually true]

Joshua Anderson 4 måneder siden

Wow Well done. This was awesome

sweet-rain Jewel 4 måneder siden

I would love game theories of all Final Fantasy games its my favourite game series and the reason i subscribed to this channel (stayed subbed because i loved film theroy,and now food theory)

Max Hatch 4 måneder siden

Revived in all forms at the time during aerith’s death might not be canon

The Smash Dancers 4 måneder siden

I do hope he covers what's up with the Final Fantasy 7 remake. Especially how Aerith even came back or seemed to know what was happening in this timeline..

iron cheese 4 måneder siden

I would like to point out that in FFXV theres a state of “Danger” when you run out of health, and if you take MORE damage, THEN you’re dead and are actually able to use a Phoenix Down. That’s what contradicts this theory for me.

BHGraphics82 4 måneder siden

I'll save you the 15 minutes..a phoenix down isn't for curing death, it's for curing being incapacitated. Problem solved

Fabledkill 4 måneder siden

Okay hear me out Phoenix down revive the dead because if you use one on a undead what happens? It gives the opposite effect of death life meaning killing the undead. So it should be able to raise the dead.

Joe B 4 måneder siden

You forgot that Cloud finds a Phoenix on the railroad track hidden area. After killing it, he gets 30 Phoenix Downs. Also, “Death” the magic refers to HP 0 as dead.

Joe B 4 måneder siden

What about throwing a soft on Red X dad

khanda fareedon 4 måneder siden

Even though this show is amazing I don't watch SOME of them so it is kept beautiful in my brain like final fantasy " my favourite game" shrek and star wars

Fernel Curameng 4 måneder siden

I know this is old but xxii is 22 xxiii is 23.

Vladimir Boevers 4 måneder siden

But there was that one easter egg in the game where if u give the harp and the other things( forget what they where), if. Go back to where she died she comes back and a CREEPY WEIRD cutacenes starts The youtuber oddheader covered this and it worked.