Game Theory: Why You Can't Save Aerith With a Phoenix Down! (Final Fantasy 7)

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One of the most memorable, and heartbreaking, moments of the original Final Fantasy 7 game was the death of Aerith. No matter what you do, how many saves you load, there is no way to save her. Not even the Phoenix Down works! It's always bugged me that this resource made to save people from death, couldn't save this beloved character. Why IS that? Today, it's time to pluck some feathers and see if we can find an answer to this fowl question!
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Kommentarer
Athlynne
Athlynne 4 dager siden
...what about Life? Life2?
Tristan Clarke
Tristan Clarke 6 dager siden
Guys go watch odd headers video about aerith, she can be revived at the church
Tristan Clarke
Tristan Clarke 7 dager siden
5 months later you can find a video on NOpost that proved that she could be revived
Mobile Gaming World
Mobile Gaming World 8 dager siden
I still use a PS3 I don't have anything else😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Komla Apely
Komla Apely 8 dager siden
As we say in borderlands, "Death isn't permanent unless its in a cutscene."
Miguel Manuel
Miguel Manuel 11 dager siden
But they can use cure, cura, curaja and curaga after she got impaled. Right?
Connor Greenslade
Connor Greenslade 13 dager siden
Also minecraft cave update and steve in smash
Fisch Aventine
Fisch Aventine 14 dager siden
Sorry to burst your bubble....
Makhyusni Makhyusni
Makhyusni Makhyusni 15 dager siden
Play FFV and their a part where Galuf is death where everyone use Curaga, Elixir and of course Raise and Phoenix down but he is dead
Mr Plimbles
Mr Plimbles 18 dager siden
In FF7 Crisis core, Angeals wing gives Zack Phoenix downs - I theorise that Angeal and his "Copies" are where the Phoenix downs first come from in the FF7 series, and they are mass produced after the fact of this accidental by-product. The tear-jurking end of FF7 Crisis Core shows Zack laying on the floor, defeated and dieing with cloud next to him recorvering from his Mako Poisoning. I theorise that Zack may have burnt through his entire stack of Phoenix downs to get to this point, as he has defeated an entire army of shinra troops, 2nd class soldiers and helecopters, bar 4-5 troops who finally take him down & seen as though Zack and Cloud have been on the run for 2-4 years (depending on which games lore you believe) then they will have burnt through quite a lot of their resources. There is no way for cloud to save Zack because their are no resources left to save zack with, also zack being so close to death and cloud still being so weak means that there was little chance of anything being salvaged of a dead enemy. I'd love to see some crisis core theories in the future!
Chilly_Philly
Chilly_Philly 19 dager siden
c'mon atleast give me back my materia
CrossBone
CrossBone 19 dager siden
I'm not crying
WALN Zell
WALN Zell 22 dager siden
If the phoenix is dead then how does it do literally anything? Phoenix downs wouldn't work at all.
WALN Zell
WALN Zell 22 dager siden
6:58 You mean IV, V, and VI?
AJTemper
AJTemper 25 dager siden
Yo Aerith can be revived
Jethro Jacinto
Jethro Jacinto 26 dager siden
WHY SHE DED THO?
Nikhil R Byrapuram
Nikhil R Byrapuram Måned siden
where is game theroy i,ii,iii,iv,v, and vi?
Michael Montalvo
Michael Montalvo Måned siden
React to oddheaders are it’s revival vid
It's Irvin Time
It's Irvin Time Måned siden
Definitely down for some FF8 theories!
skyactive
skyactive Måned siden
Phoenix down is for unconsious and only use for battle, not cutscene
Zhello
Zhello Måned siden
Also you can't save Rachel in Final Fantasy. She does regardless if you do the quest or not. The Treasure Hunter will always feel broken by that.
ryan hoffman
ryan hoffman Måned siden
Lol sory . I thought it was a 9 foot blade. ? how knows.? 9 feet can't be right.? 6 feet like mat pat sad . Must be right.
Double_O_0wen
Double_O_0wen Måned siden
FFVIII please
Taiylor Wallace
Taiylor Wallace Måned siden
Honestly, one of the best theories I've seen in terms of research. Also I love FF anyway.
vogonp 42
vogonp 42 Måned siden
The interesting thing about the Aerith not being dead theory is that we actually see Cloud survive a similar Sephiroth sword incident.
Michael Ellis
Michael Ellis Måned siden
0:28 ok I've only played kingdom hearts but from the little I've heard of isn't this like 90% of the plot in final fantasy
turtlerr r
turtlerr r Måned siden
me: steve is a girl matpat 23 years later: uhh NO
jaysteelsun
jaysteelsun Måned siden
How long did it take before you realized that the "down" in Phoenix down was referring to down feathers?
Mikael Olsson
Mikael Olsson Måned siden
Life, life2 or full-life?
Munchie Litten
Munchie Litten Måned siden
Oof he killed her ? !! Wow cloud wth smh
Video game god Video game god
Video game god Video game god Måned siden
3:16:everyones`s favorite flower girl me:I don`t like aries.......[actually true]
Joshua Anderson
Joshua Anderson Måned siden
Wow Well done. This was awesome
sweet-rain Jewel
sweet-rain Jewel Måned siden
I would love game theories of all Final Fantasy games its my favourite game series and the reason i subscribed to this channel (stayed subbed because i loved film theroy,and now food theory)
Max Hatch
Max Hatch Måned siden
Revived in all forms at the time during aerith’s death might not be canon
The Smash Dancers
The Smash Dancers Måned siden
I do hope he covers what's up with the Final Fantasy 7 remake. Especially how Aerith even came back or seemed to know what was happening in this timeline..
Charlotte Gonzales
Charlotte Gonzales Måned siden
I would like to point out that in FFXV theres a state of “Danger” when you run out of health, and if you take MORE damage, THEN you’re dead and are actually able to use a Phoenix Down. That’s what contradicts this theory for me.
BHGraphics82
BHGraphics82 Måned siden
I'll save you the 15 minutes..a phoenix down isn't for curing death, it's for curing being incapacitated. Problem solved
Fabledkill
Fabledkill Måned siden
Okay hear me out Phoenix down revive the dead because if you use one on a undead what happens? It gives the opposite effect of death life meaning killing the undead. So it should be able to raise the dead.
Joe B
Joe B Måned siden
You forgot that Cloud finds a Phoenix on the railroad track hidden area. After killing it, he gets 30 Phoenix Downs. Also, “Death” the magic refers to HP 0 as dead.
Joe B
Joe B Måned siden
What about throwing a soft on Red X dad
khanda fareedon
khanda fareedon Måned siden
Even though this show is amazing I don't watch SOME of them so it is kept beautiful in my brain like final fantasy " my favourite game" shrek and star wars
Fernel Curameng
Fernel Curameng Måned siden
I know this is old but xxii is 22 xxiii is 23.
Vladimir Boevers
Vladimir Boevers Måned siden
But there was that one easter egg in the game where if u give the harp and the other things( forget what they where), if. Go back to where she died she comes back and a CREEPY WEIRD cutacenes starts The youtuber oddheader covered this and it worked.
rayne hayes
rayne hayes Måned siden
Me:*only played pt1 of the remake and practically fell in love with aerith* Ogff7:AERITH DIES Me:NOOOOO AERITH
Why Idontwant2
Why Idontwant2 Måned siden
Final Fantasy 7 remake is crap.
Rayyan Javed
Rayyan Javed Måned siden
I miss beard pat
Axirev
Axirev Måned siden
But, if we give 10 000 rubish feather, does that works? Edit: Oh, he dead
naosei seila u.u
naosei seila u.u Måned siden
That's an amazing remake (different in many ways from the original, but still amazing! I don't know which I do prefer, I have to play the original more), I loved it! Loved the theory too! That makes total sense ^^! And I would love to watch theories of FFVIII too
nalinea18
nalinea18 Måned siden
FFVIII theories please! Pretty please?
Gyro Zeppeli
Gyro Zeppeli Måned siden
Bdw he can use live speel
ZACHARY SALAZAR
ZACHARY SALAZAR Måned siden
matpat:only 3 games to play mincrsaft:AM I A JOKE TO YOU
supplyanddemand
supplyanddemand Måned siden
If you had played the game you know that cloud runs into a nest of Phoenix Young living Phoenix and the one on the roof that you get the materia from
Enlil The Prince
Enlil The Prince Måned siden
In ff6 there is a side story (to get fenix summon) that tell's why and what fenix dose and is. And that it revives unconsious or near dead pg, but that they are still alive. It can't revive the dead. As it is sed in clear words by a npc.
Ben Davis
Ben Davis Måned siden
ok, Rufus Matpat at 3:45 actually threw me of for a second.
xoxorockstar
xoxorockstar Måned siden
I always thought that a character doesn’t “die” when they run out of HP. Instead they “fall unconscious ” and are unable to fight. That’s why a Phoenix down revived them. But in this case Aeris is actually dead so a Phoenix down won’t work
Kaysa21
Kaysa21 Måned siden
We need more FF theories please!!!
Phat Cat
Phat Cat Måned siden
wait, did we ever get those ff8 theories?
Jacob Regacho
Jacob Regacho Måned siden
One sentence sums this up.... All items are not canon except for materia
dragomaniatcg
dragomaniatcg Måned siden
I do want to make a point here that people might be confused by if your new to the series all the final fantasy games are separate games from each other in the lore and story non of them are the same universe and none of them are connected in anyway matpat does make some valid points about the phoniex downs but he does connect 12s story with 7s
Sajid Nawaz
Sajid Nawaz Måned siden
Yes
lotrdude13
lotrdude13 Måned siden
The FF7 Remake was the first time I'd experienced the game, since I didn't know of the game's existence (and I probably wouldn't have liked it due to my age) when I had a PS1. As much as I loved the Remake, I wish Aerith's death wasn't the most spoiled video game moment of all time so I could experience that for the first time myself when that part of the story comes out.
Gary theNPC
Gary theNPC Måned siden
I think the answer is simple. Phoenix down simply isn't an item that exists in the canon of the game. Until the day comes where we see one used in a cutscene, they don't exist.
Ria ?
Ria ? Måned siden
curagas a lot better than phoenix down
Cynthia Raborn Tankwa
Cynthia Raborn Tankwa Måned siden
Please share the FF 8 theories!
Sunflower 0019
Sunflower 0019 Måned siden
Aww man matpat changed the avatar 😂 i really liked the old one
Adam Wolf
Adam Wolf Måned siden
When he was talking about the KO and how it's not dead, all i could think about was Miracle Max in Princess Bride explaining how he is only mostly dead but not all dead.
Threadbare Phoenix
Threadbare Phoenix 2 måneder siden
you meant Aeris you're welcome don't worry I'm here I'll save you correcting illiterates one crackpipe at a time
John Gugenheimer
John Gugenheimer 2 måneder siden
........want aerith supposed to be the creator's mom? who was taken suddenly without expectation and nothing could be done
Jose Olvera
Jose Olvera 2 måneder siden
Finally the 8th is coming out of the dungeon
Jayden Kim
Jayden Kim 2 måneder siden
Next up: why you can't save Rubin from Minecraft storymode
Nicholas Terrones
Nicholas Terrones 2 måneder siden
I definitely want more Final Fantasy theories.
Dark Power
Dark Power 2 måneder siden
Hmmm everyone is forgetting she isn't human so gonna leave that there... Probably got some plot holes but... Nah
Pankaj Bisht
Pankaj Bisht 2 måneder siden
So the Phoenix downs they use are their equilivent of made in China?
Loan Kabby
Loan Kabby 2 måneder siden
In FFV when one of the characters died, the party around them tried to use Life 3, Phoenix Down, and Raise spells. That leads credence to your theory of needing something more powerful to actually bring back the dead. In final fantasy six one character brought a rare Phoenix something item to Rachel that revived her back from the dead but only for a short time before passing on again.
Mohammed Al-Bader
Mohammed Al-Bader 2 måneder siden
Yes do FF8 please
Some Guy
Some Guy 2 måneder siden
15 years.. 2005..
Terry Lee
Terry Lee 2 måneder siden
but Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite, it makes me sad how little attention it gets living in the shadow of VII :(
Kenny Jasper
Kenny Jasper 2 måneder siden
You're just gonna do the "Squall is dead theory" 🤷‍♂️
luiza177music
luiza177music 2 måneder siden
FFVIII THEORIES! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ALL ALONG!! "SQUALL IS DEAD", "RINOA IS ULTIMECIA", YOU NAME IT. whew, I need to calm down. Anyway, please, please do them!
Alex Rompen
Alex Rompen 2 måneder siden
I would love to see some FF8 theories :)
Fresh Burrito
Fresh Burrito 2 måneder siden
Yes yes yes, please give me them FFVIII theories right now.
Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes 2 måneder siden
Mat Pat, i think you forgot the way you get the Phoenix Summon Materia in the game, the way you get it is by literally HATCHING Phoenix, you find the materia in his eggshell, I´ve been watching you since the beginning and this is the first time i absolutely disagree with you ;___; The EVIDENCE IS IN GAAAAME
Michael Torres
Michael Torres 2 måneder siden
Then explain the cut scene in Final Fantasy Tactics where Worker 8 blows Mustadio away and Ramza starts flipping out saying, "Oh no! Phoenix down - where is the Phoenix down?"
Shan Ming
Shan Ming 2 måneder siden
Or the pheonix down only revives "Knock outs!" What do you all think KO meant? 🤣🤣🤣 so yeah aerith, she dead 😈
Shan Ming
Shan Ming Måned siden
@Pyro Flare i didnt plan on getting laid anyway the idea of being inside someone just eeewww!
Shan Ming
Shan Ming Måned siden
@Pyro Flare i must break the fans hearts Tifa will die at some point like barret technically did 😈
Justin Eberlein
Justin Eberlein 2 måneder siden
Adding to the proof is Galuf's death in FF5 (the best game). He keeps on fighting Exdeath while at 0 hp so the rest of the party has a chance to escape, and very definitely dies afterward.
Grave Robber
Grave Robber 2 måneder siden
YES to all FF Theory!
ryan hoffman
ryan hoffman 2 måneder siden
Ff8 I can't find it 2 watch
Erik Rodriguez
Erik Rodriguez 2 måneder siden
A little late to the party but yes, absolutely go forward with Final Fantasy 8 theories! I'd love to see a dive into its lore 😁
Rakryan N. W.
Rakryan N. W. 2 måneder siden
Good theory but... 1. Instant Death refers to an attack that immediately kills its victim regardless of what HP they have remaining. It have other term such as KO, sudden death, death, etc. So phoenix down can revives Aerith with a ceritain amount HP recovered. 2. Phoenix down can be fatal to undead monster. Non-boss undead monster will be KO/ death and boss undead monster will suffer great amount of damage. So how strong is Aerith that can nullifies this effect? OOT question is 1. Why they not summon phoenix with their materia? They can perserve Aerith's body, not drown her 2. Is there any Phoenix pinion? Why that item doesnt exist in FF VII?
MAMAOU 4Life
MAMAOU 4Life 2 måneder siden
Stop don't make it any more bad then it already is :(
Treshaun Billingslea-Houston
Treshaun Billingslea-Houston 2 måneder siden
WHY THE ORIGINAL CAST WAS FIRED FROM BEING ON THE FINAL FANTASY 7 REMAKE PROJECT (STEVE BURTON ) nopost.info/throw/mtaRmWbTx5yVpa8/video
dayana yazbek
dayana yazbek 2 måneder siden
If ya want something to theorize about that gives ya a totally unique feeling like Doki Doki Literature Club is YOU and ME and HER it has a lot to theorize about
Alpha
Alpha 2 måneder siden
There are a lot of games out now like- Me who only played Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition and didn't play any of these games:
chrisrkellogg85
chrisrkellogg85 2 måneder siden
Yes, FF8 theory.
Paladin N8
Paladin N8 2 måneder siden
@Lisa T Yeah, FFVIII (8) was my first Final Fantasy and first RPG back on the PS1 when I was little. I'm planning to get it on my Switch when I have the chance. Money and what not right not. Hey! MattPat! Let's get some FFVIII up on here! And other Final Fantasy games as well, I want FFIV as well... It's one reason I love the Dragoon class, the other being Legend of Dragoon... Another title worth a theory maybe? It's funny and awesome having him and his team picking apart things in games we love. Also, K.O. means Knock Out, so yeah.
Kibbles021
Kibbles021 2 måneder siden
3:11-3:23 a little piece of my soul dies everytime I see this.
JamMonster
JamMonster 2 måneder siden
No joke when i seen this arguement i always thought that the item was called "phenox up" not phenox down lmao
Rantaro Amami
Rantaro Amami 2 måneder siden
Nah deep down I was happy that she died, she was annoying af thank god they made her a better character in the remake
Fiona Wright
Fiona Wright 2 måneder siden
with the remake coming out and bringing new fans to the series maybe don’t title your videos with major character deaths!
bluedragongirl92
bluedragongirl92 3 måneder siden
I would love for some one to give Cloud a psych eval.
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